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Post by FIt on Feb 17, 2011 23:11:52 GMT -5
How have you negotiated the offer? Email? Phone?
What seems reasonable to negotiate? -Salary -moving expenses -start up
Has anyone asked for partner hire that is NOT academic?
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Post by anon on Feb 17, 2011 23:24:09 GMT -5
I negotiated by going back and forth several times via email.
And they are all reasonable to negotiate, at least to try, salary and start-up funds for sure, and moving expenses are sometimes set (but can ask for a house hunting trip with a partner, if not already included in the package), and definitely teaching reductions.
For non-academic partner hire, some universities have a special office to help with non-academic partners' job search, but am not sure whether it would be a negotiating point (unless the partner is a university staff or faculty, or somehow affiliated with the university).
Good luck!
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Post by reasonable on Feb 17, 2011 23:24:55 GMT -5
Pretty much anything could be on the table, depending on the department/university: Salary Startup funds RA support (may be part of startup) Course reduction for the first semester(s) Summer funding Moving expenses (including a separate house hunting trip) Spousal hire (academic, or help finding non-academic positions, though this is probably not something that can be guaranteed in the contract) Course preps (e.g., teaching the same course for the first and second semester, teaching 2 of the same in the fall and again in the spring, etc.) Faculty housing (in places where this is an option, like Irvine?)
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Post by brit on Feb 18, 2011 9:04:48 GMT -5
I negotiated via phone only. I was advised that the department would be more comfortable talking salary on the phone, and it felt more professional - even though it was difficult and awkward. And, everyone here is right, pretty much everything is on the table from course reductions, junior sabbatical, travel money, moving expenses, summer funding, RA, office furniture.
It's super awkward to do this, but this is only time where you have any power to stand up for yourself. Good luck!
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Post by anonprof on Feb 22, 2011 16:26:45 GMT -5
you can also negotiate for course release, computer equipment (mine had a certain amount of money set aside for computing funds, and I negotiated that I also got a personal laser printer), salary (in some, but not all cases), moving expenses, summer funding, additional travel funding for the first few years.
My school has a "spousal hiring assistance program" to try to get your spouse a job- but they are mostly aimed at academic partners. I know of another new assistant prof whose (academic) husband was offered an adjunct position. My (non-academic) husband got some 'assistance' in that the department chair notified me when some jobs he was qualified for came up on the list of jobs for the school, and supposedly contacted some people about giving his application a second look, but he didn't get those jobs, and so far has had no luck getting a job at all since we moved here last summer.
In retrospect I would have pressed for a position for him more firmly when I was still in the negotiating phase last year. Now our school's budget is fucked and they are laying off a bunch of people in general, so there's a 0% chance I can find him a staff position at this point. And I've already accepted the job, so i don't have anything to bargain with.
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Post by negotiations on Mar 15, 2011 7:59:58 GMT -5
I know the pay for postdocs is frequently set by the funding agency (NIH or what have you), but do people negotiate for other things? Moving expenses, etc? I have two post doc offers on the table and could use some advice.
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Post by talcottparsons on Mar 15, 2011 8:30:22 GMT -5
It is certainly worth trying to negotiate. In the case of NIH and NIA postdocs, universities will often add additional cash to bump up the salary. This can sometimes be as little as an additional 1k upwards of an additional 10k. Also, ask about research funding, travel funding, etc. One strategy for trying to attain more funding is to ask to be affiliated with research centers, as they often have pots of cash they can use. Congrats on the two choices and good luck with your decision!
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Post by anNIHfunded postdoc on Mar 15, 2011 10:06:51 GMT -5
I agree with the poster above me. I'm in an NIH funded postdoc. My center bumped up the salary a wee bit.
But, before starting, I got them to agree to pay for a conference for each year of the postdoc and have gotten them to pay for "professional development" stuff--so I have gotten them to pay for books and other such things. Not the same as money in your hand, but every little bit helps!
I have also affiliated myself with another researcher (not my postdoc advisee) whose center has money as well, so I've been able to get them to pay for things here and there--administrative support for me on my project, etc.
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Post by nosy on Mar 15, 2011 14:37:45 GMT -5
negotiations- care to share where your offers are at?
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Post by anon on Mar 15, 2011 21:50:06 GMT -5
Repeat after me: Course releases. As a new assistant professor your most scarce and precious commodity is your time. Any extra time you can get to put towards getting papers etc. out the door is priceless.
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negotiated by phone
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Post by negotiated by phone on Mar 20, 2011 8:49:08 GMT -5
I agree with anon - this is HUGE. But start with salary before you do anything. If its a state school - often these salaries are posted online somewhere - so you can see where prior hires fit in. I felt really awkward asking for things - particularly because I really wanted the job and I also had no other offers. Make a list - and rank in order that you like - so you have them available when you talk on the phone. This helps. Remember, if you have any offer at all - you are in good shape congrats!
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Post by taketwo on Mar 22, 2011 9:46:20 GMT -5
What kinds of things can be negotiated for a visiting professor position? Is it reasonable to ask for a course release if you'll only be there a year?
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Post by anon on Mar 22, 2011 11:10:10 GMT -5
What kinds of things can be negotiated for a visiting professor position? Is it reasonable to ask for a course release if you'll only be there a year? Probably not. visiting positions are usually there to fill specific teaching needs.
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Post by laughthroughit on Mar 22, 2011 19:00:35 GMT -5
What kinds of things can be negotiated for a visiting professor position? Is it reasonable to ask for a course release if you'll only be there a year? Yeah, I don't think a course release for a VAP position is really up for negotiation. For mine, it was very clear that I'd be teaching a 4-4 and the load wasn't negotiable. The specific courses, however, might be - it depends on the position. You can definitely negotiate on moving expenses, office space, a computer, and travel/conference funds - but keep in mind that you will likely be offered less than if it were a TT position.
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how do you negotiate
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Post by how do you negotiate on Apr 21, 2011 12:15:27 GMT -5
This sounds really naive but how do you negotiate?
If you asked for more salary but was told the salary offer is firm, do you still insist? Can you do this if you have no other offer at the time of the offer but already like the school and want to take it?
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