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Post by UCLA on Apr 19, 2011 13:12:24 GMT -5
Who did UCLA hire besides Ed Walker?
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Post by leery on Apr 19, 2011 14:54:09 GMT -5
Purdue is losing a bunch of folks. I don't know if they will be hiring. But I don't know who in their right mind would take a job there. Translation: I didn't make the shortlist at Purdue My guess is that someone in their right mind who worked their tail off for 6 years with the goal of securing a TT job in a Big-10 soc dept would take a job there. I didn't apply to Purdue. But I do have some inside knowledge. Just be leery of Purdue. They have had four APs go up for tenure in the last two years and only tenured one of them. Either they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to hiring, they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to mentoring, or they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to making tenure decisions.
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Post by yep on Apr 19, 2011 16:00:19 GMT -5
Back to VAP's - this is also a way to do a spousal hire, with fewer problems than two TT's. Not a perfect solution, obviously, but it seems to happen.
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Post by stanford grad on Apr 19, 2011 17:44:09 GMT -5
Translation: I didn't make the shortlist at Purdue My guess is that someone in their right mind who worked their tail off for 6 years with the goal of securing a TT job in a Big-10 soc dept would take a job there. I didn't apply to Purdue. But I do have some inside knowledge. Just be leery of Purdue. They have had four APs go up for tenure in the last two years and only tenured one of them. Either they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to hiring, they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to mentoring, or they don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to making tenure decisions. 1 out of 4 in two years! That sounds like a lot compared to some other places..
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Post by timothy leery on Apr 19, 2011 19:16:33 GMT -5
. . . they don't know what the hell they're doing, etc. Interesting. It raises the question of what, if anything, we can judge about a dept based on their tenure decision track record. There are plenty of departments that tenure very few assistants that no one would accuse of being awful places to work. Likewise, I am sure there are departments with 100% tenure rates that might be miserable, maybe even for the very reason that they promote all of their candidates. I've always thought of tenure decisions as reflections of the individual's job success. We don't typically think of a person's promotion to associate as an indication of especially effective mentoring or hiring by their department, so why view negative decisions in that light? Can job candidates learn anything reliable about a department by looking at this information?
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Post by annon on Apr 19, 2011 22:09:54 GMT -5
Disagree. Harvard or Columbia not giving tenure is one thing, because the person can then probably go to a place like Purdue fairly easily and everyone knows that their expectations are unreasonable anyway. Purdue turning down 3/4 suggests that there are some real boners calling the shots...
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Post by anon on Apr 22, 2011 0:05:47 GMT -5
Who did UCLA hire besides Ed Walker? They hired three people: Ed Walker, Stefan Bargheer and Ka-Yuet Liu
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Post by Umm on Apr 22, 2011 9:52:14 GMT -5
"I've always thought of tenure decisions as reflections of the individual's job success. "
Not very sociological!
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